tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post7293586980873513369..comments2024-03-18T10:55:52.127-07:00Comments on Wink <br>and the world surprises you: My teen visit to an evangelical churchWinking Dollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14045187430930181570noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-58575743146892727602013-05-27T01:48:12.995-07:002013-05-27T01:48:12.995-07:00Hi JA,
Thanks for visiting and sharing your exper...Hi JA,<br /><br />Thanks for visiting and sharing your experience. <br /><br />I would say "to each, his/her own truth". If one is happy with one's faith and not harming others, go ahead. If one is unhappy, then do consider the alternatives, even agnosticism or atheism.<br /><br />"KPI" - hahaha, so funny! Religion = business for some people, LOL!<br /><br />Cheers, WD.Winking Dollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045187430930181570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-54496940121873641842013-05-26T00:21:48.726-07:002013-05-26T00:21:48.726-07:00Hi,
I attended such worship sessions when I was a...Hi,<br /><br />I attended such worship sessions when I was a teenager. I am now in my late 30s, not sure if you and I belong to the same generation.<br /><br />What you described is very similar to my own encounter. I actually attended such sessions faithfully for several years before I felt that I simply do not agree with their approach. <br /><br />You can say I am dense or draft, it took me years to figure out that something is not right. What really made me uncomfortable is the amount of pressure they exert on us to bring in "friends", "potential converts". It seems to me that if I do not actively bring potential converts, I am deemed to be a lousy Christian. <br /><br />In working world terms, I would say I was set KPI to bring in x number of potential converts. Christmas is no longer enjoyable because I have to inform them in advance how many friends I will be bringing. I have to give them updates every week as we count down to Christmas. <br /><br />I am glad it is all over.<br /><br />I guess there are people who enjoys such structure, I know of friends who continued to attend such for years. But it does not suit me. <br /><br />Cheers<br />JA Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-22798491770460779812012-08-02T00:41:44.370-07:002012-08-02T00:41:44.370-07:00Hi WD,
Yes, I have the same fear as you regarding...Hi WD,<br /><br />Yes, I have the same fear as you regarding the skeletons in the closet. On one hand, I want the skeletons to come out so as to bring down the lies the PAP had been telling us yet like you, I feel that given that our nationalhood foundation is so unstable, no thanks to the PAP, any skeletons may or will bring the downfall of Singapore.<br /><br />Yes, I agree with you that I'm generalising but the elections results don't lie. Majority of our grandparents/parents generations still sell us out. And like you say, even your and my generations (I know enough friends too) are doing that too because their life aren't that badly affected by the policies, they are fine to let the PAP continue doing what they want.<br /><br />Sadly, what they don't understand is that the policies may not affect them now, the policies may affect them in the future or their children.<br /><br />It is nice talking about such topic, esp with Singaporeans who had gone overseas and experienced other system.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-60072597132079052042012-08-01T18:48:49.241-07:002012-08-01T18:48:49.241-07:00Hi J,
Thanks for returning and sharing your thoug...Hi J,<br /><br />Thanks for returning and sharing your thoughts again. The missing "Freedom of Information Act" causes me to fear for the future of Singapore. If and when any skeletons dance out of the closet, the fall of Singapore will be nigh.<br /><br />As for our parents and grandparents selling out the future of our generation, IMHO this can only stand as a generalization. At least on my father's side of the family, I understood that my late-paternal grandparents considered all politics and politicians "dirty", so they were unlikely to support the dominating party. My parents believe in supporting whoever is the underdog, so as to exert a pressure on the dominant party to deliver the promises made.<br /><br />I see/know enough people of my generation (even well-educated folks) who sell-out, so I don't think it is fair to push the blame on our parents/grandparents.<br /><br />Still thanks for sharing your views and thoughts. Diversity is what makes a true democracy resilient. That's one thing that the dominant political party in Singapore does not understand or does not want to understand. Either way, it is to the detriment of Singapore.<br /><br />Cheers, WD.Winking Dollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045187430930181570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-91583275416449534092012-08-01T01:03:44.158-07:002012-08-01T01:03:44.158-07:00Hi WD,
Yup, I read your post and comment but sadl...Hi WD,<br /><br />Yup, I read your post and comment but sadly, this is the situation facing us.<br /><br />As for the "Freedom of Information Act", IMO, there is no way the PAP will allow that because for the simple reason that they are too many skeletons hiding in the closet for them. They cannot afford to let them out.<br /><br />Same goes to their demand for obedience which is way out-dated. It may have work on our parents and grandparents generations but it's not going to work on us any much long. Not when there is the factor of the Internet. <br /><br />Being sold out ar. To be blunt, sadly, we had already been sold out by our grandparents & parents generations because they gave so much of our rights away in exchange for their illusion of security and wealth. Now it's a big uphill fight to get them back for us.<br /><br />As for religious groups lobbying for changes, I differ from you. I feel that they shouldn't even be lobbying for anything at all because ultimately, they are religious, their actions will only be guided by their religious beliefs.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-16192866804745957802012-07-31T20:27:25.603-07:002012-07-31T20:27:25.603-07:00Hi J,
Thanks for dropping by and leaving your com...Hi J,<br /><br />Thanks for dropping by and leaving your comment again. <br /><br />IMHO, your last statement nailed it on the head. The PAP-dominated government has steadfastly refused to weigh the pro-and-cons of a "Freedom of Information Act", demanding instead obeisance and trust from the Singaporean "mere mortals".<br /><br />But worse are the PAP supporters who demand others to submit their obeisance and trust to the PAP too, simply because they themselves are willing to sell-out. I have commented briefly on that in my comment, dated 29 July 2012 11:17, on asingaporeanson's blog post below.<br />http://asingaporeanson.blogspot.ca/2012/07/what-minister-yacoob-really-want.html<br /><br />I have no objection to religious groups (or any other groups) lobbying for changes in the legal system and/or government -- provided that they are able to argue their cases logically. Please don't quote some book that is sacred only to your own members (e.g. as the bible is to a Christian) and declare that something is self-evident to be true because the book says so. Sorry, there are people in the general public who do not care what the book says.<br />http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2011/09/facebook-exchange-right-wing-christians.html<br /><br />That's my 2 cents above for now.<br /><br />:-)Winking Dollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045187430930181570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-7811141399010549912012-07-31T03:23:09.227-07:002012-07-31T03:23:09.227-07:00Yes, that's what scares me too and I feel that...Yes, that's what scares me too and I feel that Singapore government has bent backwards for them more than other religions. I think to make it worse, they like to hide behind general/vague statements like mainstream values, majority etc etc to justify their actions. Although our government has been doing that all these while, making general statement without giving hard facts or giving vague facts to back them up.<br /><br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-50232765515628031082012-07-30T21:36:26.085-07:002012-07-30T21:36:26.085-07:00Hi J,
Thanks for visiting and leaving a comment.
...Hi J,<br /><br />Thanks for visiting and leaving a comment.<br /><br />I share your views and question the real intent of their zeal too. IMHO, it all boils down to tithe money. Nowadays, it is not just the Christians who do that, many large-scale organized religions/cults do the same. That's why I am wary of and refuse to join any organized religious groups.<br /><br />Btw, IMHO, your second last statement is spot-on. I had a friend who was involved in the AWARE incident. In her opinion, there was nothing wrong in her group's action of taking over another group so as to "glorify the Lord" "by lobbying for Christian laws to be applied on a wider scale", i.e. to the secular crowd. If a group of organized Christians are willing to take over an NGO for their hidden objectives, it is no surprise that other Christians may also feel compelled to influence public policy with their private morals/value-system.<br />http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2009/09/after-aware.html<br /><br />Cheers, WD.Winking Dollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14045187430930181570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452590323401882895.post-6532064806360360772012-07-30T04:13:42.807-07:002012-07-30T04:13:42.807-07:00It's kinda sad to hear that such things alread...It's kinda sad to hear that such things already happening so many years back and from the looks of it, it may have gotten worse. I do have my run-in with evangelicalism back in Singapore too and at times, I really question their zeal in converting others. If they spent so much effort converting others, I think that their efforts would be better spent on helping the less fortunate. Why just praise their chosen religion? Back it up with actions and if they are truly that good, real believers will follow.<br /><br />Another thing that I have been suspecting for some time is that the government is actually wary of the christian votes as the way they sometimes deferred to their values when they considered some issues is disturbing at times. And I got a feel that a lot of our leaders are christians and they network through the churches. I may be wrong but this is my feeling.<br /><br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com